Sunday, February 6, 2011

NT Pod 49: What is the Third Quest of the Historical Jesus?

NT Pod 49 asks "What is the Third Quest of the Historical Jesus?. It is about twelve and half minutes long.

NT Pod 49: What is the Third Quest of the Historical Jesus? (mp3)
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  1. Mark,

    Speaking of Dale Allison, I read his book Constructing Jesus. It's excellent. Allison has an incredible knowledge of messianic movements in history. I'd be curious what you think of Allison's argument that Jesus believed the end would happen in his life or shortly thereafter.

    I know this is off topic, but can someone tell me what the mythers think about Paul, Peter, James and the Gospel writers. Did these folks think or suspect that Jesus didn't exist? Did Peter know that stories were circulating about his interaction with Jesus? What did he tell Paul about Jesus?

    -Neil Parille

  2. Thanks, Neil. I am enjoying working through Allison's new book myself -- full of excellent stuff (even if he is still clinging to Q!).

    Good question about Peter, James and co. I am afraid that I am not familiar enough with the mythicists to be able to make an informed comment.

  3. Did Paul suspect Jesus did not exist?

    Paul's complaint was that Christians had too many Jesus's.

    2 Corinthians 11
    For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

    What did Paul learn from Peter about Jesus?

    Paul is clear that his gospel was received from no man.

    Galatians 1
    I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin.

    The message about Christ had been revealed to Paul through scripture

    Romans 16
    Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God...

    And Paul is equally clear about how little impact Jesus made, or rather Paul says nothing about how little impact Jesus made, but says a lot about how people were supposed to see the glory of Christ, but had not. Not by seeing Jesus do people see the glory of Christ, but by hearing the gospel.

    2 Corinthians 4
    The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

  4. Mr. Carr,

    I'm not getting your point.

    Words and phrases can be used different ways.

    It seems to me that the mythers can be as wooden in their reading of the Bible as any fundamentalist.

    -Neil Parille

  5. Steven,

    Please do not use my podcast comments as a platform for airing your general mythicist views. I keep comments open so that people can comment on and discuss the podcast should they wish to do so. As I have mentioned before, there are plenty of forums around where you can air your general views.

    Best wishes

  6. I only responded because you said there was a 'good question' which you were unable to answer, as not being familiar enough to make an informed comment. So I attempted to answer the 'good question', out of a desire to help the questioner.

    As for the subject of the podcast - the 'Third Quest' -, how many quests are needed, and when do you expect scholars will start writing books documenting the failure of the Third Quest?

  7. Steven,

    But you didn't answer my question, even with respect to Paul.

    My copy of Doherty's book arrived. It's 800 pages and somewhat hard to follow the argument.

    -Neil Parille